Curse

atreyu83 · Oct 12, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

My first post turned into a thee page thread mabey i'll get lucky again and get some replies

I've been playin around with warriors in Comp arena and usually end up failing miserably. Either bein screwed by conditions or lacking healing or lacking damage etc. Ive finally found a build that has been somewhat successful and am lookin for some opinions on improvements/suggestions. So here's what im runnin now..

W/NE
13 Axe mastery
16 Tactics
supvigor/absorption
Gladiators armor

Res Sig - Duh

Victory is Mine! - duh

Desperation blow - Big dmg + condition on demand... sweet
Balanced stance - counter knockdown from desperation and enemies... check
Thril of victory - nice to use after blow for a spike.. but no condition :/
Dismember (initially put rake that was a typo)- self explanitory tho waitin for it to charge is a pain
axe rake - helps with the runners and another condition
plague touch - use my conditions against opponent and to buff VIM!

I like bein able to actually do decent damage and not be screwed by blind. ViM acts as my energy management and healing in one. Despite the energy from ViM however i somtimes find myself with low energy cus i love spammin desperation and TOV! as soon as ther recharged. Im not runin a zealous axe so mabey i should do that.

Okay so lemme have it how bad does this build suck?

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 12, 2005, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by atreyu83

Okay so lemme have it how bad does this build suck?

This build sucks beyond belief. I've seen many a w/n build in my time but trying for 16 tactics is nigh impossible for efficiency. I will admit though, that your build will KILL complete and utter morons who try to take you out, but I'd rather kill more of them then have them come after me... [that's warrior efficiency for you]

Of all the warrior skills in Tactics I've seen in PvP, NOTHING can come close to the whopping E. Denial that is 7+1 Tactics FEAR ME!! I don't care what anyone says, if you're fighting a foe with high dmg resistance [whether it be a cowardly stance user or shielding hands person], as long as you're building adrenaline, you can chop their energy regen to 1.3 pips and below by simply spamming this skill...

Victory is Mine! I used to use on my warrior, however, Swords can definitely make better use of it. Also, you don't have dismember so how the heck do you land axe twist?? What's the point?

If you insist on a self-sufficient axe using ViM! then I say don't worry about tactics too much since ViM! is really good for energy. You want a conditions warrior? [my old time fav as always...]

I HIGHLY recommend this [wear sup vigor and fortitude axe to cancel out the sup. rune]

12+1+3 Axe Mastery
8+1 Strength
7+1 Tactics
8 Curses

Swift Chop [stance or enchantment, NOBODY is safe, dodging? nah!]
Dismember
Axe Rake
Fear Me!! / Axe Twist [depends on your needs, but AT may help since you don't build adrenaline fast]
VICTORY IS MINE! {E}
Sprint
Plague Touch
Rend Enchantments/Res Sig

You're intent on conditions? Then spiking should take a back seat. You also say you want to live longer? Then these are reasons you probably won't need frenzy. Your job is to put sooo many conditions on them that they won't know what to do. If you're lucky, nobody on the enemy team will have an anti-condition skill. It happens in comp arena.

Here, you have 5 skills that cause conditions. This feeds the engine that is Victory is Mine! {E} which allows you to do plague touch. [spread the love baby]

I don't like res sigs in comp cause everyone has this notion that being ressed 4 times in a fight will allow you to win... I'm never the last one standing so I never bring res sig... bah ^_^ Also, all my teammates who think they know better will have one so 3 res sigs out of 4 is fine.

smurfhunter · Oct 12, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

personally, if you want massive condition spamming you could go r/w with a sword and ViM, that way you can safely spam hamstring and whatever else there is while doing the same old sever artery/gash crap.

IMO for real condition spreading *offensive* trapping is the best... and note i do NOT mean putting down 30 traps and then waiting for them to walk on them... thats dumb... i mean you run right up to them and trap as much as you can, use whirling if they wand you, or if you REALLY want take mantra of resolve (actually not a bad idea if you use vim too ^^)

and Yukito Kunisaki, for the last time.. your res sig reasoning is so flawed. IF everyone followed your idea, NO ONE would have a res sig. therefore you need to decide in your build how many deaths you think you can handle, as well as who will be targeted first. since this is irrelevant in CA, just bring the friggin sig ffs

and fyi desperation blow is like total crap. i cant think of a use for it...

caldebog · Oct 12, 2005, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

This build sucks beyond belief. I've seen many a w/n build in my time but trying for 16 tactics is nigh impossible for efficiency. I will admit though, that your build will KILL complete and utter morons who try to take you out, but I'd rather kill more of them then have them come after me... [that's warrior efficiency for you]

Of all the warrior skills in Tactics I've seen in PvP, NOTHING can come close to the whopping E. Denial that is 7+1 Tactics FEAR ME!! I don't care what anyone says, if you're fighting a foe with high dmg resistance [whether it be a cowardly stance user or shielding hands person], as long as you're building adrenaline, you can chop their energy regen to 1.3 pips and below by simply spamming this skill...

Victory is Mine! I used to use on my warrior, however, Swords can definitely make better use of it. Also, you don't have dismember so how the heck do you land axe twist?? What's the point?

If you insist on a self-sufficient axe using ViM! then I say don't worry about tactics too much since ViM! is really good for energy. You want a conditions warrior? [my old time fav as always...]

I HIGHLY recommend this [wear sup vigor and fortitude axe to cancel out the sup. rune]

12+1+3 Axe Mastery
8+1 Strength
7+1 Tactics
8 Curses

Swift Chop [stance or enchantment, NOBODY is safe, dodging? nah!]
Dismember
Axe Rake
Fear Me!! / Axe Twist [depends on your needs, but AT may help since you don't build adrenaline fast]
VICTORY IS MINE! {E}
Sprint
Plague Touch
Rend Enchantments/Res Sig

You're intent on conditions? Then spiking should take a back seat. You also say you want to live longer? Then these are reasons you probably won't need frenzy. Your job is to put sooo many conditions on them that they won't know what to do. If you're lucky, nobody on the enemy team will have an anti-condition skill. It happens in comp arena.

Here, you have 5 skills that cause conditions. This feeds the engine that is Victory is Mine! {E} which allows you to do plague touch. [spread the love baby]

I don't like res sigs in comp cause everyone has this notion that being ressed 4 times in a fight will allow you to win... I'm never the last one standing so I never bring res sig... bah ^_^ Also, all my teammates who think they know better will have one so 3 res sigs out of 4 is fine.

Yukito,you seem to have a fondness with Fear Me.

well this build is intersting and i might try it out. the axe is a good compliment to add conditions onto the opponent, but could a sword be used also for this build?just wondering.

smurfhunter · Oct 12, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by caldebog

Yukito,you seem to have a fondness with Fear Me.

well this build is intersting and i might try it out. the axe is a good compliment to add conditions onto the opponent, but could a sword be used also for this build?just wondering.

axe conditions are deep wound and cripple. sword conditions are that + bleeding and much more spammable. and actually i think if you really want vim as your elite, a sword is a pretty good option

Slade xTekno · Oct 12, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by atreyu83

My first post turned into a thee page thread mabey i'll get lucky again and get some replies

I've been playin around with warriors in Comp arena and usually end up failing miserably. Either bein screwed by conditions or lacking healing or lacking damage etc. Ive finally found a build that has been somewhat successful and am lookin for some opinions on improvements/suggestions. So here's what im runnin now..

W/NE
13 Axe mastery
16 Tactics
supvigor/absorption
Gladiators armor

Res Sig - Duh

Victory is Mine! - duh

Desperation blow - Big dmg + condition on demand... sweet
Balanced stance - counter knockdown from desperation and enemies... check
Thril of victory - nice to use after blow for a spike.. but no condition
Dismember (initially put rake that was a typo)- self explanitory tho waitin for it to charge is a pain
axe rake - helps with the runners and another condition
plague touch - use my conditions against opponent and to buff VIM!

I like bein able to actually do decent damage and not be screwed by blind. ViM acts as my energy management and healing in one. Despite the energy from ViM however i somtimes find myself with low energy cus i love spammin desperation and TOV! as soon as ther recharged. Im not runin a zealous axe so mabey i should do that.

Okay so lemme have it how bad does this build suck?

This is simply a modified [very slightly] version of the Ultimate Tactics Build posted on GWO. You may have come up with it yourself, but it's been done before.

I fail to see Yukito's concern. Desperation Blow [+ Balanced Stance] and Thrill of Victory both have awesome damage bonuses at Tactics 16 for a very consistant spike, and the Weapon attribute is also maxed. Hell, you may be able to risk a Major rune on the Weapon Mastery. Plus, this is a Random Arena build; not all the Warriors are Fear Me Axe Spikers.

However, you fail to run a piece of Knight's armor for the global damage reduction. If you switch to swords, you will give up crit damage, but get the guarenteed snare in Hamstring [which also frees up a slot for another skill, like Final Thrust]. You should have enough conditions on your target to keep up ViM.

EDIT: If you plan on building around ViM, I can see the concern in Yukito's argument. One could easily stack conditions much easier with other skills.

pagansaint · Oct 12, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Like smurfhunter said, a sword is your best bet for a ViM! conditioner.
UNLESS you are a W/R using Cyclone Axe and Apply Poison with Dismember as your second condition you are applying.

Cripple, Bleed, Deep Wound and if you want to get nasty with it, Enfeebling Blood for an AoE condition skill.

If I made a CA W/N ViM build it would look something like:

Final Thrust
Sever Artery
Enfeebling Blood
Hamstring
Victory is Mine!{E}
Sprint
Frenzy
Res Sig

smurfhunter · Oct 12, 2005, 09:01 PM // 21:01

imo enfeebling blood and vim dont mix because by the time you finish casting you wont be close enough for vim to work... i think you need to stick to either traps or weapon attacks. and 10 energy on a spammable skill is very harsh on a warrior, so i still think r/w might be better on this.

and sprint seems a bit unescessary since you lead with hamstring, and you will be covering it with a bunch of other conditions, right?

oh and condition builds, and especially vim builds, are just sexy with tainted flesh since everyone on the other team is diseased, but you would need another person to use it or you cant use vim >.<

pagansaint · Oct 12, 2005, 09:12 PM // 21:12

I agree smurf, for ViM! a R/W would be MUCH better because of the spamming of the conditions/skills needed to make it shine.

Posted that because he was already a W/N.

I'll edit in if I was to make a W/N ViM char

Death by Ooga Booga · Oct 13, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Change Tactics to Strength. I run....
15 Axe
13 Strength
Rest in w/e depends on what second prof. is.
Use Strength skills not Tactics. I'm sorry but I hate Tactics. Pure pwnage with Axe or Hammer. I also love Berserker Stance. 10 seconds attack 25% faster plus charges skills very fast. Good Luck!

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 13, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by smurfhunter

and Yukito Kunisaki, for the last time.. your res sig reasoning is so flawed. IF everyone followed your idea, NO ONE would have a res sig. therefore you need to decide in your build how many deaths you think you can handle, as well as who will be targeted first. since this is irrelevant in CA, just bring the friggin sig ffs

Ah, BUT NOBODY WILL EVER FOLLOW MY IDEA!!! So YOUR reasoning is flawed... MUAHAHAH!!!

And if nobody entered with a res sig, we'll be up on our enemy's team by four skills... That's a LOT of possible dmg and healing if they're the right skills...

But hey, CA is for messing around in so don't get all bent out of shape...

They call me noob for not bringing res sig? I don't care... I know our team won't win if we need to get ressed more than 2x. So why put up a fight? Efficiency > all...

pagansaint · Oct 13, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Death... ViM! is a Tactics skill.

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 13, 2005, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

Death... ViM! is a Tactics skill.

Actually, at 0 tactics, it still feeds 5e. per condition. Hence the elite status... If you want energy, ViM isn't a bad idea.

pagansaint · Oct 13, 2005, 08:57 PM // 20:57

True, but for the best effects you use it with some points devoted to tactics.

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 13, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

I suppose it depends on your scenario. I'd still use ViM! on a sword type using only Sever, Gash, Plague Touch at 0 tactics... If I was in TA that is... There, I don't need the hp and can just use the energy to do Plague Touch again when an enemy decides to test me... Healing monk teammate for the win!

audioaxes · Oct 13, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48

balanced stance is way too conditional to try and use in pvp

pagansaint · Oct 14, 2005, 12:50 AM // 00:50

He is using it as a counter to the self knockdown from Desperate Blow.